gingham, taffeta, cotton and silk ([info]twoswimy) wrote,
@ 2008-02-02 12:19:00
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Old Bean is Sick
On Wednesday I discovered that Old Bean has scabs on his back - lots of scabs. I hadn't played with him closely in a few days so I'm guessing this happened over the course of the previous 48 hours. My first instinct was that it had to be mites. I've read a lot about guinea pigs in books and online and mites seems to be the common cause of hair loss, skin flaking, and red scratches and scabs on the skin.

I found a vet that would see Bean yesterday afternoon and after lots of waiting, some very expensive "examinations" and a horrifying skin scrape which broke my heart to watch, the diagnosis was inconclusive. The vet did not want to treat for mites unless we found mites on a skin scrape - I've read from other pig owner's accounts that this happens a lot. Since mites are hard to find on a skin scrape, vets often will refuse to diagnose a pig with mites. Instead he gave me some medicated pads to rub on Bean's scabs in hopes that it will help heal them and prevent Bean from chewing.

I rebuilt Rem & Bean's cage into two separate cages. They now have twice the original size, and they seem pretty happy about that. Rem is trying desperately to get to Bean. Bean is acting normal (not timid like before) and Grayson is living in Rem's old cage, which is about 3 square feet. He seems to be fine with that arrangement. When he is 6 months and can stop eating alfalfa I'll build him a bigger cage or possibly put him in with one of the other pigs, depending on their behavior.

I'm posting pictures of Bean's scabs and medication for those interested - if you know anything about guinea pigs and mites please let me know what you think. I did not want to argue with the doctor, but if Bean does have mites he will only get worse until I give him the correct medication.



DO NOT LOOK AT THE PICTURES IF YOU FIND SCRATCHED, SCABBED SKIN DISGUSTING




















His hair is falling out in small bits with a piece of skin attached.


This is Bean's medication. I just noticed it says for dogs and horses. Hope that's not a problem... It's all natural stuff so it shouldn't be.







I will continue to take pictures through the week to see if I notice any change. The vet said I probably wouldn't notice a change until 2-3 weeks, which is how long the medication will last. I guess if it gets worse I'll take him back or find another vet. If it gets better we'll all be happy and if it stays the same I'll take him back in 3 weeks.



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[info]wishmeluck
2008-02-02 05:41 pm UTC (link)
When I had Snowy, my first guinea pig, she would get those scabs sometimes. We didn't take her to the vet or anything, but we'd monitor it to make sure she wasn't picking at them. They went away on their own...but she never had the hair falling out thing either. =( We still don't know what they were, but she lived to be 5 years old!!!

I hope Old Bean is okay. Give him a nice scratchin' for me.

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[info]wishmeluck
2008-02-02 05:44 pm UTC (link)
ALSO: when Apollo was sick, we took him to the vet we take our dogs to all the time because he's awesome. The doctor checked him out and gave him some medicine.

But Apollo was still not better!!! So I called other vets to find out if they were more familiar with buns (Dr. Ed is awesome, but has more experience with pups and cats). I ended up taking him to a vet that LOOOOVES "pocket pets".

Maybe you should ask around and get a second opinion, you know?

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[info]twoswimy
2008-02-03 05:16 pm UTC (link)
I agree. If the wounds do not get better when the medicine is gone, or if they get worse, I'm going to a pocket pet specialist. I didn't really think of the term "pocket pet" until you said it, and when I used it in searches I found another local vet that specializes in pocket pets so she should be all the more help. I'm definitely going to her next time.

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[info]gakushikiyutaka
2008-02-02 06:02 pm UTC (link)
Did the vet say it wasn't scratches from the other pigs? maybe they have some kind of arena fighting when you aren't there. Or maybe rough play or something. I don't think I've ever known pigs to do that or heard of it, but some of those look like they could be scratches or like a glancing bite.

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[info]twoswimy
2008-02-03 01:10 am UTC (link)
That is EXACTLY what the vet thought it was, because he may not be able to bite himself that far back - but I've never seen them fight that viciously. I've also never heard Bean scream and the vet assumed if the was being bitten he'd cry out. Then again I"m not ALWAYS home, but also Bean had a hiding spot that Rem could not get to - so he spent a lot of time in there. It was a suspended bent grid.

I guess if it heals up in the coming weeks we know it was Rembrandt biting him. If it doesn't I think it's mites.

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[info]twoswimy
2008-02-03 05:53 am UTC (link)
Oh also keep in mind if it is mites Bean would be inflicting the scratches on himself. The question is who is doing the scratching? Well if it gets worse we'll have our answer. So far I haven't seen any scratching.

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[info]gakushikiyutaka
2008-02-03 04:18 pm UTC (link)
I don't think that Bean could reach that part of his body to scratch; at least not and have them look like that. Thats just me though.

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[info]twoswimy
2008-02-03 04:50 pm UTC (link)
The vet said the same thing. So you're most likely correct.

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[info]never_meant
2008-02-02 06:44 pm UTC (link)
oooh poor guy! i have no idea what it is, but i hope he gets better soon! larry was sick a few weeks ago, its heart breaking!

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[info]twoswimy
2008-02-03 05:54 am UTC (link)
Poor Larry! What was wrong? Did he have a crusty nose? Rembrandt had a URI once and he was sneezing and had a crusty nose. Luckily a quick dose of something (probably antibiotic?) cured him right up.

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[info]mandy_moon
2008-02-03 12:16 am UTC (link)
After seeing the pictures, I started to think "hey, they actually do kind of look like fight wounds..." I can understand why he might not have wanted to treat for mites right away. I also do skin scrapings on mice every Monday for health checks on the colony- with a razor blade. Poor Bean :(


It's only on Bean's butt, right? Has it been spreading? Fighting pigs would definitely have bites on their butts before any other part of the body. I guess now that they're separated you can see if things get better and it doesn't spread.

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[info]twoswimy
2008-02-03 01:11 am UTC (link)
I was afraid of that. The vet seems to think it was Rem biting Bean but I've never seen them do that. Could Rem have done that much biting in two days? What a jerk. I don't want to jump to one conclusion or the other... so I guess we treat them as battle wounds and see what happens.

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[info]dosboof
2008-02-03 01:08 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, as someone who oversees a mouse strain that's particularly aggressive, I've seen my share of fight wounds and those look just like 'em. If they scab over normally and go away now that they're separate you have your answer. It's hard to say what sets off rodents into dominance battles, but when they do, man, they can really go to town on one another. Or at least the dominant one really hurts the submissive ones. Poor Old Bean. He's the Beta Pig.

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[info]twoswimy
2008-02-03 05:11 pm UTC (link)
Oh I forgot that you also work with small animals. I'm very glad to have your input. Matt agrees with you, Becky, the vet - basically all the people "trained to know". I agree too, but I'm just so unsure that I never know what to do.

In your expert opinion (and Becky's too if she has an idea) how long do you think scratches and scabs of this nature will take to heal? The vet said 2-3 weeks but I thought that seems like a long time for scabs to heal. Does that sound right to you? Do you treat many a mouse scab?

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[info]twoswimy
2008-02-03 05:14 pm UTC (link)
Also not sure if you know a lot about alpha-pig, beta-pig behavior, but if the two were peacefully co-existing for just over a month, and then a third was introduced, would you say that is cause enough for the more dominant pig to beat up the less dominant pig? It kinda makes sense - if I had known that would happen I would not have sought out a third pig, but I love Grayson so I can't say I regret bringing him home.

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[info]solipsistnation
2008-02-08 04:33 am UTC (link)
Hm. Those do kind of look like bites. Pingers used to shriek when he was bitten, although only once or twice did they fight when we were home. They're clever little boogers-- they'll wait until it's really quiet and you aren't there before rioting and stuff.

The good thing is that they do heal pretty quickly, although those look pretty scary. Keeping them separate is probably a good idea anyway... Poor little guy.

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